Vixea Manplus here okay maybe a little more depends on how much of collagen you make so that's just the 2d version so let's assume for a moment you're about four and a quarter in circumference or somewhere in between this is a little bit bigger five and a quarter so let's just say you're about four and a quarter or four and a half in circumference the Manplus Vixea first treatment I expect you to get to about this is five and three-quarter I don't know if you'll get to this but you can come close to this five and three-quarter and girth and the second treatment we would want you to get closer to six and a half or six and three-quarter roughly these are just the models I have but you'll roughly be I'm sorry well that's the seven and three-quarter this is the one say deep you were .